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Tha Ulsterscot
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| Lyn Jones wrote: | Hi Guy's.
The tractor in question was a 1961 FD3. It ran well enough, but the paintwork was a bit tatty. It sold for £1800.00. (About $2800.00US)
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Great pics Lyn, must have been an impressive collection, and most seemed in great condition. The FD3 looks like a handy wee tractor,that one looks as though it has the hannomag engine. A friend had an MF 21 fitted with this engine and it didn't impress me at all, thats why I'd like one with a P3. One in similar condition would be great. The chap who had the 3 stable mates for sale in UK sent me details but his was also a hanomag engine. Again thanks for the pics. Paddy.
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Richard Sturdy
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:23 am Post subject: |
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There were over 20 Allis Chalmers tractors in the sale - the best lineup of Orange (and one green) that I have seen for many a year! All were in nice condition and it would have ben just too easy to keep buying on the day! I had to excercise self-control!!
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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It's interesting how people's opinion can vary on the condition of the same tractors. I have been talking to another UK Allis collector who attended and was intending to buy at the sale.
His view was some tractors were well over-priced for the condition they were in. Some of the faults he listed were broken manifolds, cracked blocks, wrong wheels and mudguards and a broken waterpump and hole in the radiator on the model A. He said the photos were very misleading and a lot of the tractors had "Du Pont" paint jobs.
Just as well everybody doesn't see things the same.
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Tha Ulsterscot
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Well boys this is my second try at replying,I had just hit the submit when this contraption froze!! so here goes again. The tractors didn't look too bad at all, at least they were safe. With so many it would be hard to have them all A1. I like a tractor to look its age, and be tidy,I would never claim to restore a tractor only preserve it.This way i can use and enjoy them without worrying about scratching the paint, Others have to have them perfect, each to their own. I wish I could have been there anyway. Paddy
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Richard Sturdy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:20 am Post subject: |
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| AC 1 wrote: | It's interesting how people's opinion can vary on the condition of the same tractors. I have been talking to another UK Allis collector who attended and was intending to buy at the sale.
His view was some tractors were well over-priced for the condition they were in. Some of the faults he listed were broken manifolds, cracked blocks, wrong wheels and mudguards and a broken waterpump and hole in the radiator on the model A. He said the photos were very misleading and a lot of the tractors had "Du Pont" paint jobs.
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As at every sale, the condition of the tractors varies and there are often "Du Pont restorations" (in my opinion, the Continental-engined Allis "U" was possibly one of those). However, the Allis lineup was perhaps the best overall and the Allis prices were, in my opinion, not far off the mark. I do agree that the "A" was not a good example - dodgy water pump, oil filter missing, leaky rad, missing drawbar etc, but the price it sold for reflected its faults. I was very pleased with the 25-40 which I bought. It's home now and I have had the chance to examine it - it is a very good example with the oversize 5 1/4" bore, runs beautifully and was not over-priced by any means. Needs new rear tyres sometime though! Other bargains that I noticed were the Allis 20-35, which is a very nice running original tractor on full steel and in unmolested condition for £5k, which was not a bad price for such a tractor over here in the UK and the big Case 22-40 crossmotor for £13k - an absolute snip compared with its little brother 12-20 at a hefty £10k!
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Richard Sturdy
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After talking to the guys on Smokstak, it seems that my "25-40" is either a 25-40 E "Theshermans Special", or a 30-60 E. Apparently, the 5 1/4" bore was only available to special order and exclusively for belt work and put out well over 60 HP on kerosene. Allis would not provide warranty cover for the transmission of tractors with the 5 1/4" bore if they were used for heavy draught work. The serial number of the tractor (25575) puts it very near to the end of 25-40 E production and apparently about 90 tractors were supplied with this largest engine as "Threshermans Specials" and the last few of these were designated 30-60 Es. When Allis replaced the Model E with the Model A, they used the same engine, but reverted to a 4 3/4" bore for gasoline, with a 5" bore available for kerosene operation, but the 5 1/4" bore option was withdrawn. Allis documentation is scant regarding this matter, but some of the Allis experts are helping me to identify my tractor as accurately as possible. Can anyone here help further with this please?
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Richard, I don't believe your tractor to be a 30-60 as it doesn't have certain features from the 30-60 tractor. Of course these features may have been taken off the tractor through breakages etc. over the years.
The missing features are the kero (hotbox) manifold, aircleaner extension and fender mounted starter fuel tank on the left mudguard. I can't see in the photo but assume its not there.
Also your tractor doesn't have the other 25-40 "Threshermans Special" features fitted but of course they could have been taken off too.
Your tractors serial number (25575) places it within the last 50 made. The model E finished at serial no. 25611.
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Richard Sturdy
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| AC 1 wrote: | Richard, I don't believe your tractor to be a 30-60 as it doesn't have certain features from the 30-60 tractor. Of course these features may have been taken off the tractor through breakages etc. over the years.
The missing features are the kero (hotbox) manifold, aircleaner extension and fender mounted starter fuel tank on the left mudguard. I can't see in the photo but assume its not there.
Also your tractor doesn't have the other 25-40 "Threshermans Special" features fitted but of course they could have been taken off too.
Your tractors serial number (25575) places it within the last 50 made. The model E finished at serial no. 25611. |
The hotbox has rotted/burned off and the remnants of it remain on the manifold. The left mudguard has the two drilled holes where the starting tank was originally fitted. The rear of the block has the water port for feeding water into the carb when burning kerosene. This is blanked off with a pipe plug. The engine has the oversize 5 1/4" bore which was only available on the Threshermans Special and the 30-60 and the serial number is preceded by the legend "KERO 5 1/4". My guess is that it was originally either a 25-40 Threshermans Special, or a 30-60. These were both identical tractors - just the designation was different. I think that during its working life, the tractor was stripped of its kero equipment and was rigged to run straight petrol - possibly during an overhaul.
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