Ouch: 1941 H Down

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JD2840

Discussion Starter · May 8, 2012

Well my grandpa called me the other day and told me the H had leaked al ot of gear oil. didn;t think much of it. Just figured it was that crack leakign some like it does. Didnt have the bucket under it as normal because the H was on pulls start duty as it often is. Well i get there a couple days later to find a lot of oil on the ground. Looks like Front or rear (dont remember which) transmission seal failed. when we boughti t the guy said that was something he regretted not replacing when he had it apart. Not going to be fun to fix but this H has been a hard working loyal tractor so its worth it. The M is great but not always in the best of moods. H is always there to get it going on those lazy days. Now im left without a backup tractor so the M better act nice like it has been.

Going to try and get to this H on the side while resoring the F20. needed to get that crack fixed up anyways so i guess its as good of a time as any.

Questions: All i have for now is can you get the seals for that part of the tractor anywheres? I have not looked around yet just thought i would ask

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John M

· #2 · May 8, 2012

Napa!!!! (My favorite store) Youll need to tear everything out, OK tear isnt the best word but you get the point, be careful getting the old seal out, or just clean it up and take the seal housing(s) with you. They can match it up!

BTW, what do you mean by front or rear seal? In the general area, there are only 3 seals, upper and lower trans seals, and the belly pump seal, unless you go on up to the rear main...

soundguy

· #3 · May 8, 2012

keep us posted!

DC Snider

· #4 · May 8, 2012

If you lost it all, I'd suspect that it was the rear pto seal, and that's an easy fix...

soundguy

· #5 · May 8, 2012

can thepto seal be repalced from the outside, shaft in place on that model?

John M

· #6 · May 8, 2012

soundguy said:
can thepto seal be repalced from the outside, shaft in place on that model?

The earlier flat syle PTO, no, it has to come out and tore down, but the later "humpback" pto can be done, but easier to take 2 bolts out and tap it from the backside. Ive done a few of those, but only 1 flat style and I do recall having to tear it down to do that. Im still wondering what he means by the location of where the leak is....

soundguy

· #7 · May 8, 2012

on the humpback style, is the seal in the rear removeable cover, but not a bearing.. it''it's a seal carrier but not a beairng carier?

John M

· #8 · May 8, 2012

soundguy said:
on the humpback style, is the seal in the rear removeable cover, but not a bearing.. it''it's a seal carrier but not a beairng carier?

Right, the section with 2 bolts just has the seal in it, and it also doubles as the bearing retainer. The bearing is just behind that peice.

JD2840

Discussion Starter · #9 · May 8, 2012

It looked to me it was coming from the seal at the rear end of the clutch housing where it connects to the rear part of the tractor. not sure of the offical names or anything. I'd have to get some pictures.

As far as napa i'd have to go to another town for that. Napas around here are nothing like everyone says they are in other places

JD2840

Discussion Starter · #10 · May 8, 2012

Anyways ill keep yall posted. Going to miss my drives i used to take on it. M i dont trust as much though its never let me down. too loud and the steering needs work. Might have to get the case goign to cover for the H or something though i wont have hydrolics if i need em

John M

· #11 · May 9, 2012

JD2840 said:
It looked to me it was coming from the seal at the rear end of the clutch housing where it connects to the rear part of the tractor. not sure of the offical names or anything. I'd have to get some pictures.

As far as napa i'd have to go to another town for that. Napas around here are nothing like everyone says they are in other places

Could be 1 of 3 seals, but if its on the case, and gear oil, its 1 of 2. With any luck, its the lower seal. Drop the pump, and have a look-see. If its the lower one, take the pump drive off, then the seal retainer, pop out the seal, and get the new one and gasket, reinstall and have fun. If its the upper one, well, that is alot more work...

Jim in NC

· #12 · May 10, 2012

On the 1942 H I renewed a few years ago, I replaced the PTO seal from the outside. I parked the front of the tractor in a downhill and replaced the factory original wide or thick woth 2 of the new, thin seals. A groove was worn in the pto shaft and I did not know if by only using one seal,it would actually wind up in this groove and not do much sealing.

soundguy

· #13 · May 10, 2012

do they not make a speedi sleeve for that application?

G

· #14 · May 20, 2012

Not sure what kind of stores or shops you have there.We are lucky in this area up here.There is a shop in Edmonton that will build whatever seal you need. As long as you have the dimensions they will build it for you. The place is called Fluid Seal. Fitting name I guess.

JD2840

Discussion Starter · #15 · May 28, 2012

masseymechanic said:
Not sure what kind of stores or shops you have there.We are lucky in this area up here.There is a shop in Edmonton that will build whatever seal you need. As long as you have the dimensions they will build it for you. The place is called Fluid Seal. Fitting name I guess.

Nothin here like that i know of. Just going to have to find the seal or make it my self. I guess its just a gasket unless theres something inside the housing that holds in oil

soundguy

· #16 · May 29, 2012

any progress yet?

JD2840

Discussion Starter · #17 · May 29, 2012

Not yet. probably wont be for a while. Though i miss having the H there are some other things taking priority right now. Working on getting a sub for the H, my case running right and getting some other "dead" tractors to run before i tackle this project. i will later this usmmer prehaps

soundguy

· #18 · May 29, 2012

that's the one thing about having a fleet of tractors.. keeping them all running!

JD2840

Discussion Starter · #19 · May 29, 2012

soundguy said:
that's the one thing about having a fleet of tractors.. keeping them all running!

Yep! :lol:

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